arsegrapes 3:05 Mon Dec 30
Losing Payet ended Bilic as losing Arnie ended Pellegrini
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Can see Moyes kicking off with the Snowman, there will only be one winner.
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collyrob
3:14 Mon Dec 30
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Some people are massively overrating Arnautovic. The cunt disappeared for plenty of games. When he was on it and up for it he was very good. But those games were few and far between.
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camel-with-3-humps
3:17 Mon Dec 30
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It’s true losing Arnie is a huge blow. He could spin a man, play forward or alone, quick and strong. Sorely missed.
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factory seconds
3:20 Mon Dec 30
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i think the point is colly, those games where arnie couldn't be bothered under moyes were generally the games we lost. hence the 29% win rate.
the fact our two of our three most emphatic wins were against mark hughes sides tells the tale of the tape.
for the record i was happy to see arnie gone given that he was a weapons grade tit.
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Takashi Miike
3:21 Mon Dec 30
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arnie didn't want to play for us, he'd downed tools months before leaving
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Huffers
3:35 Mon Dec 30
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He did pick them up again just before he left, just so he didn't leave them behind.
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the exile
3:35 Mon Dec 30
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This is a very simplistic argument. There may be a bit of truth in it but there were many other factors.
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the exile
3:37 Mon Dec 30
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And why should Moyes have an issue with Antonio? He puts more of a shift in than most.
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claypole
3:41 Mon Dec 30
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Not replacing them adequately probably played a bigger part in ending their reign
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dealcanvey
3:44 Mon Dec 30
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Think Haller has as many goals at the halfway stage as Arnie did last season?
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hammer205
4:14 Mon Dec 30
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It’ll be more than one player that ends moyes it will be the team!
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southbankbornnbred
4:33 Mon Dec 30
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I'm no fan of Moyes, and think it is a terrible appointment for the club generally. But I think he's the sort of manager who will appreciate Antonio and get a lot from him.
We shouldn't kid ourselves: he will improve some players (those who thrive on a higher tempo, steely and more traditionally "British" game). But he's generally uninspiring and negative with his tactics. I can see some players hating him - but I don't think Antonio will be one of them.
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ironsofcanada
4:39 Mon Dec 30
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Haller did everything Arnautovic could and then lost form with the rest of the team.
Whether that can be turned around, I don't know.
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Mex Martillo
4:51 Mon Dec 30
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Wrong, losing Fabianski to injury and thinking Roberto was Premier League standard ended Pellegrini
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Stubbo
4:57 Mon Dec 30
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I expect Anderson to be the main casualty of Moyes' reign, along with Wilshere and Yarmalenko.
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flyingV
4:57 Mon Dec 30
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Losing games ended Pellegrini.
He was given the opportunity to replace Arnautovic in a way that Bilic was never able to with Payet.
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The old c wing
5:41 Mon Dec 30
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Having a massive clear out and not effectively replacing squad players was probably the main issue. As evidenced by Roberto and Ajeti.
This, coupled with tactical ineptitude.
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Texas Iron
7:09 Mon Dec 30
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Mex...
Agree... Fabianski & Roberto caused his sacking...
But he really wasn’t competent any more...
Way past it...
Got a lovely millionquids sinecure based on history...nothing else...
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Hermit Road
7:20 Mon Dec 30
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Both shit managers totally reliant on the individual brilliance of 1 player
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JimmyT
7:31 Mon Dec 30
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Losing Hugill could end Moyes.
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Stubbo
7:42 Mon Dec 30
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Losing Arnie didnt end Pellegrini.
Arnie was largely injured and when not injured ineffective under Pellegrini.
I actually think what ended Pellegrini was starting this season well and then losing Fabianski when he did. Meant we werent galvanised for a battling campaign, and ended up throwing goals in with a clown between the sticks.
Arguably the other thing that did for him was signing Fornals over Lobotka
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